Bavarian Illuminati

interesting to see that symbolic and famous pyramid of the illuminati is very prevelant.

good work

i think the it was not right to abolish the self styled knights eques because i dont see were they went wrong?

Were they went wrong was in telling a tale and not backing it up with proof. Where were these so called Unknown Superiors? Did they exist at all? Where was the documentation that Strict Observance were directly descended from the Knights Templar? Was there any validity at all to what Baron von Hund had claimed? A whole series of questions were put forth and answers were demanded. When no one could come up with a satisfactory response, the whole thing was deemed a fraud. They got tired of the games and being conned, and enough was enough. Most of the members were nobility and aristocrats, and they didn’t take lightly to being dupped.

It wasn’t that they were play acting at being knights and that everyone knew it was playtime. No. They were conned into believing that this thing they were involved with was of a true and unbroken lineage from the original Knights Templar.

There is more masonic architecture present at the Schloss in Bad Wilhelmshoehe in Kassel and much more!

“Were they went wrong was in telling a tale and not backing it up with proof. Where were these so called Unknown Superiors? Did they exist at all? Where was the documentation that Strict Observance were directly descended from the Knights Templar? Was there any validity at all to what Baron von Hund had claimed? A whole series of questions were put forth and answers were demanded. When no one could come up with a satisfactory response, the whole thing was deemed a fraud. They got tired of the games and being conned, and enough was enough. Most of the members were nobility and aristocrats, and they didn’t take lightly to being dupped.

It wasn’t that they were play acting at being knights and that everyone knew it was playtime. No. They were conned into believing that this thing they were involved with was of a true and unbroken lineage from the original Knights Templar.”

But here is a strange thing: the concept of unknown superiors. If Duke Ferdinand of Brunswick was the highest known leader in the Templar Strict Observance, and the Templar Strict Observance itselve proclaimed that above the highest figureheads where unknown superiors, than the Duke would have to have been in contact with these superiors. If he wasn’t, then he by himselve would immidiatly know it was an entire fraud to begin with. This means that he would come out in the public about it or kept it silent and use the TSO as a instrument for his own advancement. Then why would he eventually after years went by call for an conference and all of a sudden he didn’t know anything?

Also as you said they weren’t playing a game of being knights. On the coat of arms of Hesse-Cassel of around that time we can find the red double-cross on a white background, which was known in early times to be a sign of high dignitaries of the Templar Order. So to incorparate this in your coat of arms would to me show you are quit serious about everything. And since Prince Charles of Hesse-Kassel was second to Ferdinand of Brunswick he would have to have informed (in the case he didn’t know who the unknown superior was) to the Duke about orders from this unknown superior. This means the duke must have lied and given his own orders cause if he didn’t Charles would have known it was a fraud and wouldn’t incorparate it one his coat of arms, unless of course he also used the Templar Strict Observance as a tool (which I don’t think he did cause he was quite passionate about masonry and wanted to protect it). If the Duke however fooled the Prince into believing their was an unknown superior that he was using the order for his own advancement and if that is so why calling a conference and then pretending not to know anything?

The more I come to think about it the more it seems it just doens’t add up. What do you think of all of this with your knowledge about the Templar Strict Observance?

Also there seems to be more to the concept of a templar lineage then just a crazy thought. Now don’t ask me to further provide you information because my knowledge on this subject isn’t really spectacluar but this is writtin in a book by Alice Joly called: “A Lyonnais mystic and the secrets of freemasonry” in regard to a Meunier de Precourt (a contact of Willermoz):
“He cited the Teutonic Knights and the Germain Rose Croix to have been the Intermediaries between the Temple and Freemasonry” (most likely refering to the Strict Observance here).

Even if there wasn’t an unbroken lineage, a broken, or even if their wasn’t a lineage documents could have been forged if they wanted and Ferdinant Brunswick could have prepared a litle bit better then to open the conference with : “what is actually the aim of this order which I am grandmaster of?”.

Strict Observance (SO) is one of the most trickiest things to pin down precisely. The best info on the subject is in French: Le Forestier’s La Franc-Maçonnerie Templière et Occultiste aux XVIIIe et XIXe Siècles. More recently consult the studies by the Mason Alain Bernheim, in multiple languages.

The inventor of the rite was Baron von Hund. He and a con-artist named Johnson were the sole go-betweens for the so-called “Unknown Superiors.” Actually, the best article you can read in English on SO, is: ‘Reforming the Whole World’: Masonic Secrecy and Treason in Eighteenth-Century Germany. I’ve just uploaded it. Enjoy. It explains a lot.

Just to be clear, these were the questions that Wilhelmsbad was convoked to answer (written by Duke Ferdinand of Brunswick himself):

(1) Is the origin of the Order an ancient society?
(2) Are there really Unknown Superiors, and if so, who are they?
(3) What is the true aim of the Order?
(4) Is this aim the restoration of the Order of Templars?
(5) In what way should the ceremonial and rites be organized so as to be as perfect as possible?
(6) Should the Order occupy itself with secret sciences?

The above obviously says a lot about what he knew or didn’t know concerning the very Order he was appointed to head.

Hmmmm…. Well let’s see, let’s go elementary with this for a second… We keep trying to tie orders together, secret master this and unknown that. Whether or not people were in trickery of true lineage to the Templar Knights or not, we know this.. Throughout the 12th and 13th centuries, many cathedrals(as well as other buildings of “stone”) were erected with the financing of Templar riches, these guilds in return were primarily Mason Guilds.. Some of the highest paid of any craft of there day.. So is it not hard to believe that even at the time of the demise of DeMolay and the Templar order, that Masons could have been Knights, and Knights masons(of course this is pre-dating the subsequent Masons that we have come to know as “accepted” practitioners as to be around the time of the 1717 merging into the G.L.O.E.). I think one fell into the other, just like a recurring theme, as in the instance of the 14th century beginnings of The Order of Christ. Like fleets vanishing from ports in France, and within decades one of the hosting kingdoms to this Order of Christ(Portugal), happens to have a great Naval advantage, to the point of starting an age of exploration(Prince Henry). If you want to charge the Templars with something, give them credit for bringing the enlightenment movement back to Europe, thus starting the Renaissance, which in itself came with such doctrines as The Hermetic, Humanism and Cabbala(Kabalah). No…?

Dear Terry Melanson,
My name is Anait Brutian (anaitbrutian@videotron.ca). I recently came across some of your articles and read then with great pleasure. Your research is impeccable, and the writing extremely good. Some of these papers were especially useful, since at the time I was working on a similar topic. I finished some of the papers and posted them on my Blog. The work is in 14 parts, to be read in sequence. I plan to include another set, for which the research is mostly finished. However, for the moment you can look at the parts that are already finished. These are the links:
The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 1* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-1/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 2* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-2/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 3* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-3/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 4* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-4/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 5* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-5/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 6* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-6/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 7* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/?p=107 The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 8* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-8/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 9* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/?p=113 The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 10* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-10/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 11* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-11/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 12* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-12/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 13* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-13/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 14 http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-14/

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Thanks so much. I’ll have a look.

Dear Terry Melanson,
After posting the links on April 22, 2011, I discovered that two of the papers were not posted. I took care of the problem last night, and now the set is complete. These are the links:
The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 1* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-1/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 2* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-2/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 3* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-3/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 4* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-4/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 5* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-5/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 6* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-6/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 7* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-part-7/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 8* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-8/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 9* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-part-9/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 10* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-10/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 11* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-11/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 12* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-12/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 13* http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-13/ The Ominous Vortex of Illuminism – Part 14 http://justproportion.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-ominous-vortex-of-illuminism-%e2%80%93-part-14/

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